Pre_NYC military response

wmgreene · 06-20-2008, 09:49 AM

I'll have to upload the picture from 1-18.08.com showing the night vision strike on an obscured target in an ocean. The picture is packed with ships, aircraft, missiles, tracer rounds, and a large fireball explosion into which all ordinance appears to be targeted. I've been looking at this picture from time to time and have begun to wonder more and more about what it means in regard to the back-story that precedes the events in Cloverfield. My premise is that the producers are more intentional about the information they reveal than would be the case for the typical sci-fi/monster flick.

The first thing that strikes me about the photo is that it shows an A-10 launching what appear to be Maverick air-to-surface missiles at the target. As far as I know, the A-10 is only operated by the US, and only as a land based close-in ground support attacker. What was it doing out over the ocean? It carries the most lethal cannon on virtually any aircraft in the world, but still, is this an indication that the military was already engaged in a full-scale assault on the monster or other monsters before the cloverfield events? Perhaps this photo frames an attack on a different monster somewhere else? Perhaps in the Pacific?

In the photo, there are also what appear to be blocked-out rectangles in the image. Is this intentional? Is the military concealing something, even from other branches of the government itself? I assume the photo is of an American attack as it depicts the A-10 and several Aegis class guided missile cruisers. Anyone else believe that we are going to learn that the cloverfield events are far more extensive than NYC? For example, on the Blu-ray notes, some details are noted as invaluable pieces of information, hinting that the war is not over.

nendo · 06-20-2008, 07:56 PM

the blocked out area is to hide the boat names and stuff. its also on the burning tanker image. maybe the plane u pointed out was just a mistake. well not realy but more of buying the image of a jet plane. like we know the explosion was on turbosquid wasn't it? or somewhere were u can buy the roylties to use an image. maybe they did the same?

u know what i think. on the blue where there like we know its not the tanker as it appear intake later on etc i think they were added only after the audience noticed it so they decided to use it in there story. original i think that the producers even used the tanker for the explosion but due to the fan base changed it to make it part of the story of mystery

wmgreene · 07-02-2008, 02:02 PM

nendo, you mean the explosion in lower manhattan? The Targurato tanker is seen burning, half shoved up on a pier, half hanging into the water (as seen in the brief shot in the film from the brooklyn bridge)? I agree that the tanker is intended to bring Tagruato into the conspiracy, like maybe they intentionally or unintantionally led the monster to NY. I think the explosion in lower manhattan was somehow triggered inadvertently by clover. Maybe it threw a ship into the city and it hit a major gas line. The explosion looks like a fuel-air blast...I thought it was liquified natural gas..like maybe the monster tossed an LNG tanker into the city, but seems unlikely the monster could be that strong. I think the burning/erupting debris flying through the air indicates that whatever exploded provided the fuel for the explosion, and hence the secondary explosions of the fragments in mid air. Don't know.

About the 1-18-08 photos, yeah, I see how the tanker name is obscured, and maybe on the right of the night vision photo is another destroyer up close. The burst of machine gun fire at the bottom-right of the photo appears to be characteristics of the phalanx CIWS, which is a defensive weapon and indicates that something was attacking the ship. The phalanx is intended to track incoming targets. I think that ship is about to get clobbered.
Appears to be aircraft attacking the target from several vectors. The A-10 from the front firing mavericks, a burst of tracer rounds possibly from another A-10 diving from above, two jets making a pass, the outline resembles F-15s, could be F-22s, and what looks like a squadron of attack jets forming up in the distance.
What I gather from this picture is that the military is attacking a cloverfield creature, that they clearly realize their ordinance is not having much of an effect, looks like they're throwing everything they have at the target, and that the target is able to move at speeds comparable to or exceeding that of a modern naval vessel, hence the defensive fire from the ship from which the picture appears to be taken.
I'm guessing some of the blanked out area is of wreckage/personnel or perhaps creature related elements, maybe part of a hand. I wonder how a clover moves in water, if they are suited to it, or just hatch in it, but really are land animals. Certainly something is behind that fireball that is a long way from being destroyed.

Falconv1.0 · 07-03-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wmgreene

nendo, you mean the explosion in lower manhattan? The Targurato tanker is seen burning, half shoved up on a pier, half hanging into the water (as seen in the brief shot in the film from the brooklyn bridge)? I agree that the tanker is intended to bring Tagruato into the conspiracy, like maybe they intentionally or unintantionally led the monster to NY. I think the explosion in lower manhattan was somehow triggered inadvertently by clover. Maybe it threw a ship into the city and it hit a major gas line. The explosion looks like a fuel-air blast...I thought it was liquified natural gas..like maybe the monster tossed an LNG tanker into the city, but seems unlikely the monster could be that strong. I think the burning/erupting debris flying through the air indicates that whatever exploded provided the fuel for the explosion, and hence the secondary explosions of the fragments in mid air. Don't know.

About the 1-18-08 photos, yeah, I see how the tanker name is obscured, and maybe on the right of the night vision photo is another destroyer up close. The burst of machine gun fire at the bottom-right of the photo appears to be characteristics of the phalanx CIWS, which is a defensive weapon and indicates that something was attacking the ship. The phalanx is intended to track incoming targets. I think that ship is about to get clobbered.
Appears to be aircraft attacking the target from several vectors. The A-10 from the front firing mavericks, a burst of tracer rounds possibly from another A-10 diving from above, two jets making a pass, the outline resembles F-15s, could be F-22s, and what looks like a squadron of attack jets forming up in the distance.
What I gather from this picture is that the military is attacking a cloverfield creature, that they clearly realize their ordinance is not having much of an effect, looks like they're throwing everything they have at the target, and that the target is able to move at speeds comparable to or exceeding that of a modern naval vessel, hence the defensive fire from the ship from which the picture appears to be taken.
I'm guessing some of the blanked out area is of wreckage/personnel or perhaps creature related elements, maybe part of a hand. I wonder how a clover moves in water, if they are suited to it, or just hatch in it, but really are land animals. Certainly something is behind that fireball that is a long way from being destroyed.

Eh, the monster seems capable of running and jumping unless my memory on the manga is borked, and it seemed to not want to go back to the water, so yeah, it's possible it is meant for land.
But then again, it has been stated a sequel would most likely follow the parent(s), so it's a given that there are more. This may be an image of them attacking a different Clover.

Eh, I really need another cloverfield. XP

nendo · 07-07-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Falconv1.0

Eh, the monster seems capable of running and jumping unless my memory on the manga is borked, and it seemed to not want to go back to the water, so yeah, it's possible it is meant for land.
But then again, it has been stated a sequel would most likely follow the parent(s), so it's a given that there are more. This may be an image of them attacking a different Clover.

Eh, I really need another cloverfield. XP

yeh it may of happened in the manga comic but please rememeber that the manga comic may not be cannon to the movie. it is not uncommon for a movie to release comics for the franchise,only for the comics not to be cannon to the movie at all

so although you see the monster running and jumping in the comics, itever happen in the movie.

Falconv1.0 · 07-09-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nendo

yeh it may of happened in the manga comic but please rememeber that the manga comic may not be cannon to the movie. it is not uncommon for a movie to release comics for the franchise,only for the comics not to be cannon to the movie at all

so although you see the monster running and jumping in the comics, itever happen in the movie.

It jumped up to grab the chopper at the end of the movie, it was down waaay too low to stand up and get them.

06-20-2008, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
wmgreene Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 19	Pre_NYC military response I'll have to upload the picture from 1-18.08.com showing the night vision strike on an obscured target in an ocean. The picture is packed with ships, aircraft, missiles, tracer rounds, and a large fireball explosion into which all ordinance appears to be targeted. I've been looking at this picture from time to time and have begun to wonder more and more about what it means in regard to the back-story that precedes the events in Cloverfield. My premise is that the producers are more intentional about the information they reveal than would be the case for the typical sci-fi/monster flick. The first thing that strikes me about the photo is that it shows an A-10 launching what appear to be Maverick air-to-surface missiles at the target. As far as I know, the A-10 is only operated by the US, and only as a land based close-in ground support attacker. What was it doing out over the ocean? It carries the most lethal cannon on virtually any aircraft in the world, but still, is this an indication that the military was already engaged in a full-scale assault on the monster or other monsters before the cloverfield events? Perhaps this photo frames an attack on a different monster somewhere else? Perhaps in the Pacific? In the photo, there are also what appear to be blocked-out rectangles in the image. Is this intentional? Is the military concealing something, even from other branches of the government itself? I assume the photo is of an American attack as it depicts the A-10 and several Aegis class guided missile cruisers. Anyone else believe that we are going to learn that the cloverfield events are far more extensive than NYC? For example, on the Blu-ray notes, some details are noted as invaluable pieces of information, hinting that the war is not over.

06-20-2008, 07:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
nendo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 708	the blocked out area is to hide the boat names and stuff. its also on the burning tanker image. maybe the plane u pointed out was just a mistake. well not realy but more of buying the image of a jet plane. like we know the explosion was on turbosquid wasn't it? or somewhere were u can buy the roylties to use an image. maybe they did the same? u know what i think. on the blue where there like we know its not the tanker as it appear intake later on etc i think they were added only after the audience noticed it so they decided to use it in there story. original i think that the producers even used the tanker for the explosion but due to the fan base changed it to make it part of the story of mystery

07-02-2008, 02:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
wmgreene Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 19	nendo, you mean the explosion in lower manhattan? The Targurato tanker is seen burning, half shoved up on a pier, half hanging into the water (as seen in the brief shot in the film from the brooklyn bridge)? I agree that the tanker is intended to bring Tagruato into the conspiracy, like maybe they intentionally or unintantionally led the monster to NY. I think the explosion in lower manhattan was somehow triggered inadvertently by clover. Maybe it threw a ship into the city and it hit a major gas line. The explosion looks like a fuel-air blast...I thought it was liquified natural gas..like maybe the monster tossed an LNG tanker into the city, but seems unlikely the monster could be that strong. I think the burning/erupting debris flying through the air indicates that whatever exploded provided the fuel for the explosion, and hence the secondary explosions of the fragments in mid air. Don't know. About the 1-18-08 photos, yeah, I see how the tanker name is obscured, and maybe on the right of the night vision photo is another destroyer up close. The burst of machine gun fire at the bottom-right of the photo appears to be characteristics of the phalanx CIWS, which is a defensive weapon and indicates that something was attacking the ship. The phalanx is intended to track incoming targets. I think that ship is about to get clobbered. Appears to be aircraft attacking the target from several vectors. The A-10 from the front firing mavericks, a burst of tracer rounds possibly from another A-10 diving from above, two jets making a pass, the outline resembles F-15s, could be F-22s, and what looks like a squadron of attack jets forming up in the distance. What I gather from this picture is that the military is attacking a cloverfield creature, that they clearly realize their ordinance is not having much of an effect, looks like they're throwing everything they have at the target, and that the target is able to move at speeds comparable to or exceeding that of a modern naval vessel, hence the defensive fire from the ship from which the picture appears to be taken. I'm guessing some of the blanked out area is of wreckage/personnel or perhaps creature related elements, maybe part of a hand. I wonder how a clover moves in water, if they are suited to it, or just hatch in it, but really are land animals. Certainly something is behind that fireball that is a long way from being destroyed.

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